Friday, November 07, 2008

What the Hell with the Full Blown Insanity on Prop 8?

Here's a photo of me. Why would anyone give a fuck about who I want to marry? And, how can there be so many people who don't want me to get married? Why do they care? They don't know me! I mean if they knew me and I was planning on marrying an asshole, they could object at the ceremony but other than that really there's no basis for anyone to prevent me from marrying who I want. It's just fucking nuts! Actually, I think they should just get rid of state "marriage" entirely and have it be civil unions for all. It seems crazy that the state should have anything to do with marriage other than recording it and according household benefits.


Christopher Paquette said...

Thoughts on marriage....

JERRY: I had a very interesting lunch with George Costanza today.
KRAMER: Really?
JERRY: We were talking about our lives and we both kind of realized we're kids. We're not men.
KRAMER: So, then you asked yourselves, "Isn't there something more to life?"
JERRY: Yes. We did.
KRAMER: Yeah, well, let me clue you in on something. There isn't.
JERRY: There isn't?

KRAMER: Absolutely not. I mean, what are you thinking about, jerry? Marriage? Family?
JERRY: Well...
KRAMER: They're prisons. Man made prisons. You're doing time. You get up in the morning. She's there. You go to sleep at night. She's there. It's like you gotta ask permission to use the bathroom. Is it all right if I use the bathroom now?
JERRY: Really?
KRAMER: Yeah, and you can forget about watching TV while you're eating.
JERRY: I can?
KRAMER: Oh, yeah. You know why? Because it's dinner time. And you know what you do at dinner?
JERRY: What?
KRAMER: You talk about your day. How was your day today? Did you have a good day today or a bad day today? Well, what kind of day was it? Well, I don't know. How about you? How was your day?

KRAMER: It's sad , Jerry. It's a sad state of affairs..
JERRY: I'm glad we had this talk.
KRAMER: Oh, you have no idea.

nina said...

I so very much agree with you, Zoe.
And while I am sooooooo elated that the president elect is Barack Obama, I am saddened & infuriated by the results in California.
I wish that once in office, President Obama will change his tune on gay marriage.

dR said...

Here is the problem... probably not the best news.

It is because a HUGE chunk of the country think that gays are not normal, that they are warped, similar to pedophiles, etc. They see that warped lifestyle as something that cannot be considered normal or else it will "seep" into the schools, into society and soon, society is seeing gays as "normal". A slippery slope for them. Until that changes - until the bulk of people nation wide (not just CA, MA and NY - 50 years from now?), the states will vote this down over and over...

Three states shot it down, not just CA. If CA (LA County for God Sakes) has a majority voting against this... imagine all of the states in the mid-west, etc. A measure to allow gay marriage would get completely demolished.

Probably a long road ahead to get society to accept the gay lifestyle as a norm... that is the crux of the issue, not "equality" for humans. It is whether or not a gay lifestyle should be accepted in the same fashion as a hetero one for all people, kids, at schools, in public - all of it.

I am in a wealthy area of CA... very conservative, kids and families everywhere... they wanted Prop 8 to succeed far more than McCain to succeed... even though they are adamently against Obama. The Prop 8 issue was far more important to those folks... more important than the economy, everything.


Anonymous said...

You'll probably think I'm slightly off here in my thinking but marriage is primarily a straight instituition.

Did you ever think you'd get married? Probably not. Many gays used to celebrate the fact that they weren't tied down by that "straight" way of thinking.

Nevertheless, America is about EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE.

If the GLBT community feels that "civic unions" are sort of a separate but inherently unequal institution then perhaps that is so.

Me, I've never been married so it's not really a big deal. Also, on a personal note, I still sort of roll my eyes when I see same sex marriage announcement in the NY Times.

But again, it all comes down to this:


and that obviously includes the rights to marriage *regardless* of sexual orientation.

Amanda By Night said...

We got some voting info from the Democratic party here in LA and in the section on Prop 8, they had this great quote from Grouch Marx that went something like this:

"I think gays should be able to get married. Let them suffer like the rest of us!"

The only solace I find in the whole thing is that SO many people voted against it. It was close. I feel like we're on the right road, but I just can't wait to see if finally happen. Until then, we'll keep up the fight.

conorcorcoranesq said...

Hey y'all -

It should be civil unions for all, as opposed to marriage for some.

Marriage is a religious imprimatur that City Hall has no business handing out. It's a huge violation of church/state separation.

Here, here, Zoe dear.

mlare said...

here here!